he fought in iraq and afghanistan, just got out last february. handsome jerry berry, the chopper pilot, still handsome. these are the boys on the roof. burn battles. anything they could not burn, they put in the burn barrels and the chemicals burned it. who is that, steve? is that you? [laughter] that's steve. he's counting that cash he stole. [laughter] iconic photo. everything -- 18 hours before -- yes, ma'am? >> especially from the story that you're telling now, but how well do you think that our president nixon, gerald ford, and then johnson, how well do you think they knew what was going on in >> i think they knew very well. >> you do? you think their information was accurate? >> oh, yeah. they admitted this was a civil war we shouldn't have ever got involved in. the dichotomy of the book, people asked me how can we put the word "heroic" in the book about the vietnam war. i'm not writing about the vietnam war. that's been written about by smarter people than me. i'm writing about a heroic evacuation, a 36-hour period where kids like steve, o